The Five-story Fall: Correlating Indirect and Direct Evidence to Extend the Pedigree

Debra S. Mieszala, CG
Mar 18, 2019
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About this webinar

Johanna (Daly) Mahoney plunged to her death taking her parents’ and siblings’ identities along. Extensive associate analysis and a sixteen-year post-mortem summons led to family.

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About the speaker

Debbie Mieszala, Certified Genealogist(R), specializes in forensic genealogy, and 20th-century and Midwest research. She conducts genealogical research for the military to locate relatives of service ...
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  1. LT
    Legacy Family Tree
    6 years ago

    Very clear explanation - thanks!\n\nVery educational and very well and clearly presented. Valuable information to follow up and research ideas to consider.\n\nVery enjoyable\n\nVery good speaker, she was able to weave all her evidence into a family with parents and siblings. She demonstrated the use of indirect evidence in a clear manner. \n\nVery good, thankyou\n\nVery helpful in putting a structure to what I've been stumbling through over the years! \n\nVery informative about the methodology, extra helpful for me as amateur genealogist \n\nVery informative!\n\nVery informative. \n\nVery informative. Will watch again.\n\nVery informative. I think I subconsciously use the same methods, but fail in writing it all down! \n\nvery interesting\n\nVery interesting and informative presentation.\n\nVery interesting as it covered numerous world locations\n\nVery interesting how lots of information was connected.\n\nVery interesting how she was able to put the families together using the cluster research and then prove the hypothesis.\n\nVery Interesting Methodology \n\nvery interesting!\n\nVery interesting. Gave me ideas where to go next.\n\nvery interesting. I can relate a bit on the speculating and then moving on to prove\n\nVery interesting. I always find it helpful when the speaker uses a case study.\n\nvery systematic method for finding evidence\n\nVery useful reference for future research.\n\nVery well presented. Lots of good info, and reminders to keep searching.\n\nWebinar was well structured and used good illustrations.\n\nWell done. Easy to follow. \n\nWell presented and researched.\n\nWonderful\n\nWonderful demonstration of research process and the value of attempting to "unprove" your proof.\n\nWonderful example of what you can do with forensic genealogy. Some of the information was a little quick and difficult to follow, but I really loved it.\n\nWonderful story and well-told. \n\nWonderful suggestions about looking for evidence and forming hypothesis regarding "problems". It is clear that one needs patience as well as an investigative approach. Very inspiring. Thank you.\n\nWow - I never would have thought to go past a death to find more records about someone.\n\nWOW Debbie's work was mind blowing. Brilliant. I want to see that again as she had me mesmerized with the story.Please send my thanks to her!\n\nWow! Just wow!

  2. LT
    Legacy Family Tree
    6 years ago

    Liked all the detail she went in to. Gave me more ideas to solve some of my Irish folks parentage.\n\nLots of good ideas for furthering the scope of records to search when dealing with a research question. \n\nLots of great info to extend my line. I have one brick wall and this might just help tear down that wall.\n\nLoved the case study format to visualize the correlation of indirect evidence!\n\nLoved the thorough work nailing down all the loose ends\n\nOne of the best case studies ever presented!\n\nOutstanding presentation on linking associates and family naming to derive associations\n\nReally enjoyable and informative speaker. She made the steps very clear, even for those of us who have done this process before.\n\nReally, Really, love indirect evidence case studies, especially when they are so well presented.\n\nShe gave me hope for my own search issues.\n\nShows me I've got a lot to master in carrying out detailed research. A most valuable learning experience!\n\nSo glad this was about New York City Irish. They are especially hard to research, and half of my family.\n\nSome of the techniques Debra used are applicable to my own "brick wall" and encourages me to keep trying.\n\nTerrific! I learned so many ideas about how to research some of my brick walls.\n\nthank you\n\nThank you for an excellent & interesting presentation! Debra did a great job in solving her brick wall and I'm so envious. After years of research, I can't seem to locate my German great grandparent's parents and village/town in Germany. \n\nThat was really interesting and enjoyable, following along on the breaking of what was brick wall, like so many of the ones we all have. I particularly liked her statement that we have to chose a single small piece of the big picture to work on. Focus and discipline are still my biggest problem. I get distracted by a stray thought or find and somehow feel if I don't chase it now, I'll never get back to it, and it could the one thing to break the brick wall, which it never is, despite being interesting.\n\nThe logical thought of putting pieces together was very easy to follow and well explained.\n\nThe presentation was excellent and I enjoyed the variety of records used to form the final conclusion!\n\nThis was a joy to see how the family was researched - a work of art!\n\nThis was a really great example of using indirect evidence along with direct evidence. The presentation was very easy to follow; I did not find myself getting lost as I do sometimes reading through case studies in NGS Quarterly!\n\nThis was an excellent webinar. It flowed so well and was so fascinating - \n\nThis was helpful. I now see additional approaches I can take to dealing with my multiple Thomas Bakers.\n\nthis was my first webinar. I totally enjoyed it. while I listened, my mind swirled with ways to pursue my own brick walls. There were so many ways I was reminded that I should not go off on tangents. However, the tangents are not to be discarded. They will come in handy. There is always something new to learn,\n\nThis was one of the most useful genealogy-related webinars I've attended - not only did she present the research question clearly, but she went through her entire thinking/research/conclusion process in a very clear to understand format. I got a lot of useful tips out of this webinar. Thank you for making it freely available!

  3. LT
    Legacy Family Tree
    6 years ago

    Great speaker and presentation. Very thorough and kept my interest from start to finish! Well put definitions and examples of direct and indirect evidence. \n\nGreat story. Great presenter.\n\nGreat way to show that we need to be detectives.\n\nGreat webinar and clearly set forth\n\nGreat webinar!\n\nGreat!\n\nGreat.\n\nHelpful reminders, especially returning to initial records and sources to test hypotheses formed later in the search process, How I wish my ancestors lived in locations with Sanborn maps!\n\nI enjoyed this webinar so much. It was one of the best examples of using the FAN club for research problems that I have ever seen. The topic came at the perfect time for me as I am working on a similar research project to determine the parents of my Irish 3rd great grandfather who was born in New York City!\n\nI found her explanation of how records beyond the life of the individual can also be helpful in answering questions. I've never pursued them for a subject, only using information if I happened to glean it while working on a different person. Now I know better. Thanks.\n\nI loved following the thought process of the search....and added benefit was it confirmed that my research method is very similar to this....so I'm approaching it in the right way! ...and all the family names and Irish locations made me wonder if I would connect another cousin...it was close, but not quite... exciting all the same. ;-)\n\nI loved it. Thanks for the presentation.\n\nI really appreciated how the presenter led us through the entire process and demonstrated how all of the evidence fit together.\n\nI really enjoy the example. My first attempt at researching an Irish immigrant family came from nearby in County Cork -- truly a challenge to get a handle on which person (of the same name) that you are looking for!\n\nI very much enjoyed it and learned a lot, especially concerning due diligence. It's always great to pick up a new resource such as the Sanborn maps, which I have used in the past but never knew that they existed in other states. \n\nI look forward to future webinars. Thank you!\n\nI'm glad none of my research to this point has required that much effort! It was amazing how she found and then analyzed data.\n\nI'm going to go back and look more closely at those witnesses on documents (baptisms, weddings, deeds, wills, etc) and use them to help develop or support my hypotheses! Great tip!\n\nInteresting case study. Fascinating about the Sanborn maps and fire insurance maps. Great presenter. \n\nInteresting. It affirmed that I probably should pursue certification. I just researched the sponsors on my maternal grandmother's (one of several women with a past who don't want to be found in my tree) adult baptism prior to her first marriage. It was a shotgun wedding because she was pregnant. The sponsors for both baptism and marriage were family and work related. Thanks for the presentation. I enjoyed it.\n\nIntriguing; like a detective story.\n\nIt increases my confidence that I am following the right path in conducting research. My answer to Survey Question 3 - I sent my portfolio and now waiting for the decision. \n\nIt was great learning about the process.\n\nIt was very interesting. I am going to revisit one of my ancestors whose parents I have not been able to find and see if I can find additional indirect evidence.\n\nlearned so much about research and applying the FAN methodology.thank you.

  4. LT
    Legacy Family Tree
    6 years ago

    Excellent webinar, and a particularly good example of using the FAN club method. Really interesting story made better by the in-depth pursuit of every angle to uncover the full story, not only of the family but also of the trigger event. Presented clearly and methodically. Just the best really.\n\nExcellent work and clear presentation. Admirable. If I weren't too old to pursue certification I'd model my work on hers.\n\nExcellent!\n\nExcellent!!!!\n\nExcellent, great sleuthing!\n\nExcellent. Confirms I am proceeding upon the correct pathways!!!!!\n\nExcellent. Comfortable speaking voice. Well-paced and structured. Exciting story.\n\nExquisite presentation! I've gained deeper understanding of how to piece together evidence to form sound conclusions. \n\nExtensive work done. Professional presentation.Thanks\n\nExtremely good. show the need for exhaustive research and use of indirect evidence. GREAT!\n\nFantastic info about the process of organizing a research project. I so needed this! Thank you.\n\nFantastic presentation about different types of records, and the methodology of answering research questions.\n\nFantastic!\n\nFascinating research!\n\nFascinating!\n\nFirst - very interesting, well done. My only problem was that at times, some of the clues from the evidence weren't as evident to me; I think I'm just a little slower than the average participant because I'm a novice.\n\nFollowing a case study is very engaging. Learning and enjoying! Debbie is really a good story-teller and obviously a very successful researcher who "walks her talk!"\n\nGives one hope. Irish Research is difficult and I have some issues in that area. Just need patience and presistance.\n\nGood storyteller.\n\nGreat case study and artfully carried out. \n\nGreat example of the FAN principle\n\nGreat example of the topic presented (i.e., correlating direct and indirect evidence)! I also loved that the researcher/presenter included a non-standard research question and how she used evidence to create a possible answer to that question as well. Of course, this also was a good reminder to question the content and source of any evidence you find. Well done! Well done.\n\nGreat example.\n\nGreat presentation - thoroughly enjoyed it - gave me some ideas re my own research.\n\nGreat presentation, although occasionally the lists of names of others found in church records left me a bit lost at the speed we were going.\n\nGreat presentation. I have some similar situations where I need to compile indirect and direct evidence to answer my question and this helped.

  5. LT
    Legacy Family Tree
    6 years ago

    A real-life, step-by-step example of using indirect evidence to reach sound hypotheses. Great seminar!\n\nA truely interestingwebinar. I took awy a lot of information about how to back track to find proof of relationships\n\nAbsolutely superb in content and presentation. I can't wait to watch it again.\n\nAlways interesting. Thanks\n\nAmazing! Very well done!\n\nAwesome presentation. \n\nAwesome research and presentation! It expressed well the joy of family history research and gave me considerable food for thought for my own research.\n\nBeautifully laid out research,inspirational ,in fact! She is very well-spoken,easy to listen to. Good visuals too\n\nbrilliant!!!!!!!\n\nDebbie's explanation of how she found the answers to her questions was very clear and followed a logical pattern. This webinar is to be watched again and again as there is so much detail to absorb.\n\nDebbie's presentation was fantastic! Her identification of answerable questions to be found and her search methods will help so much where one has met a brick wall. Also her doing a surname spreadsheet for same names and doing family trees for each and identifying duplicity in family names would definitely help clarification. Color coding, too. This was a very informative, educational and enjoyable webinar thank you all. \n\nEasy to follow. Easy to listen to. Gives me hope that my genealogy puzzles can be solved with determination and putting many small pieces together to get the big picture. Thank you.\n\nEnjoyed the whole thing. I like to see that I am doing the same as everyone else; i.e. investigating after the last record. I said in question 3 I was not interested in pursuing certification. This is because my gratification comes from the chase using whatever the proper titles of records might be, I just cite them. And then the result of my chase turns into a historical paper or presentation to a genealogical society or whatever group might want me!\n\nEnjoyed twists and turns. Great use of a Sanborn map. Only have seen them a reference, not analyzed as in presentation.n Thanks.\n\nExcellent discussion of an involved research process. \n\nExcellent examples of Indirect Evidence\n\nExcellent illustration of correlation to prove a research question.\n\nExcellent presentation\n\nExcellent presentation! Such fun as clues to the mystery unraveled . . .\n\nExcellent presentation, both in content and style. It was especially interesting for me because I am doing similar research on my husband's family. This gave me new avenues of research to pursue.\n\nExcellent presentation.\n\nExcellent presentation. So thorough. Easy to understand and follow. Would listen to her again :-)\n\nExcellent presentation....\n\nExcellent webinar

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